Ed Diddle Jr. Interview

Eddie Diddle Jr. was born in 1929 in Bowling Green, Ky. the son of Ed and Louise Diddle. As the only son of the legendary Hilltopper basketball coach, Eddie witnessed Western Kentucky Basketball from a vantage point that no others could. From hanging around as a small kid at Hilltopper practices to playing for his father on the Hill from (1949-51) to coaching at MTSU (1956-62) where he faced off against his dad’s Topper teams, Eddie Jr. truly saw Hilltopper Basketball from all angles.

Today, Eddie lives in Nashville and is still involved in the Real Estate business. He is also still devoted to Hilltopper Basketball and attends several games per year.

This interview was conducted in February 2003, and was transcribed for the most part in its entirety.

HH: Well, you were born just a few years after your dad took over as coach at Western right?
ED: About six years, yes.

HH: What are some of your earliest memories of Western Basketball as a kid? I imagine you used to hang around practice and everything…
ED: I guess one of the things was going to the games when they were in the old SIAA. The gym hadn’t been built too long. I think it was built in ’36, but anyway they had a little track around the top and all of us kids would sit on that and hang our feet over the balcony. That’s where we always sat at all of the ballgames. I can remember that. And I remember when I got a little older I sold popcorn at the games. I think we sold them for a nickel a bag and we got a penny or something. We didn’t do very well back then but that was something (laughs).

HH: Did your dad let you go to practices and everything?
ED: Yes, I went to practice when I could and it didn’t interfere with school. We lived on Normal Drive then and dad had two or three or four boys that would stay with us in the house. And I remember I did something, I guess I was 10 or 12 then, I shot paperwads at them or something and I remember they got tape and tied me to the bed and left me about a day I think tied up (Laughs) And I never would tell on them anyway.
HH: Which players was that do you remember?
ED: I think it was (Chalmers) Embry. I can’t remember….I know one of them was Embry and (Oran) McKinney was probably one of them and I don’t remember the other one. There was about three of them I think. But anyway, then I remember dad coached football then and I would go to the football practices and I’d kick left-footed and they all kept trying to change me as a little kid not to kick left-footed. And I remember we were going to Memphis one time on the train to play Memphis St. and I guess I was bothering them or something and back then they had the smoking cars at the end of each car and they’d hang me up by my belt on the hat rack on the train (Laughs). Then when dad would start coming they’d jerk me off and put me in the seat. Then he’d leave and back up on the rack I went (Laughs). And I remember going to a lot of practices. Then of course Mr. Hornback and Dad coached…..I was one of the few that had them six years instead of four because they coached College High my sophomore and junior year in high school…that was during the war and they were the College High coaches along with Western. Mainly Mr. Hornback.

HH: Who were your favorite players growing up as a kid at Western?
ED: Embry, Chalmers Embry….I wore his number when I played. McKinney was good. Back in the early days….McCrocklin, Downing, Towery…..Harry Sadler. That’s when they went to the finals of the NIT in New York
HH: Did you make that trip with that team in 1942?
ED: Yes.
HH: What was that like?
ED: It was something else. We got beat the last second on a foul shot or something. We should have won it. We really got messed up right at the end. Blevins was a forward. He was a sub and hadn’t played much and came in and made a bunch of points. Harold McGuffey played back then. Then of course all of them played when I was in junior high and high school but then they all went in the service and I actually played with a lot of them after that. Oldham and Gibson and all of them. I was a freshman their senior year. Now Johnny (Oldham) I think was a junior and the others, (Oran) McKinney and all them were seniors cause most of them had gone into the service for two or three or four years. Rip Gish and I were the only two freshmen on the team. Everybody else I think had been in the service. So we were seventeen and they were all in their 20′s and Buck Sydnor was the freshman coach and he didn’t have much to do (Laughs). He had just gotten out of the Marines and he put Gish and I through the Marine training. And I tell you that wasn’t much fun. But it was a great experience….and I remember Dad used to run the swimming pool in the summertime and we’d hang out there and we’d shoot basketball and run around the track. And when I was about fourteen four or five of us decided we were going to duck him out in the pool. He threw us around like we were paper dolls (Laughs). He was strong. So that was a failure.
HH: Yeah, they called him “Mule” didn’t they?
ED: Yeah, that was because when he played at Centre, with Bo McMillen and all of them, he had never played high school football and Uncle Charlie Moran was the coach and he told dad that if the ball fell on the ground for him to fall on it and not give it to anybody. So the ball fell on the ground the first game and he wouldn’t give it even to the referee and they got a penalty (Laughs).

HH: Well, he was a pretty intense coach on the sidelines and at practice too according to everyone. What was he like at home maybe before and after the games when no one else was around except for the family maybe?
ED: Well, usually he was good because he didn’t lose many, but you just left him alone when he lost.
HH: He took it pretty hard then?
ED: He didn’t take it too easy. He mellowed in his later years but boy he wasn’t mellow in his early years (Laughs).
HH: Did he take that ’42 loss especially hard?
ED: Yes he did. And I guess that was as close as we ever came to winning the NIT. Then when we moved from our home on Normal Drive up in the dorm I stayed in the back with the players. I had a room back there and my sister and dad and mother lived in the front part of the old Diddle Dorm….and my junior year in high school was the year they coached and we went to the state….could have won it. Breck Training had a great team though. They had Sonny Allen and all of them, but President Downing was just getting out of the Navy and he roomed with me one semester and then he coached me my senior year in high school when he was coaching and teaching over at College High. He was our high school coach my senior year at College High. We’d lost everybody and I was the only one back. Ray Lazarus was a sophomore I think. And we had Kenny Fleenor, he played…he was the one that was captured in Vietnam. He was over there about six or seven years as a prisoner.
HH: He was the Air Force pilot?
ED: Yes. We played together my senior year in high school and he played a little his junior year also.

HH: What was like growing up having Coach Diddle as your dad? Was his personality at home much different than the public personality that everyone saw?
ED: Not really. He was about the same. He was pretty easy going until somebody did something he didn’t like (Laughs). Then it changed immensely.
HH: A lot of fun to be around though I guess right?
ED: Yeah, he was always saying the wrong things. You’ve heard all of those stories….line up alphabetically according to height….
HH: Did he do that on purpose a lot of times?
ED: I don’t think so. I don’t think he could have thought ‘em up the times he said them…..”we were missing too many fifteen hand one footers” and a whole bunch of things like that. And I remember when Rex disappeared (Diddle’s dog) dad had gone quail hunting and he had everybody at Western looking all over Bowling Green and he had a flat tire and opened up the trunk about three days later and Rex was about half dead in the trunk and he said, “By God Rex where you been? Everybody’s been looking for you.” But back then there weren’t cell phones all of that and when Rex would stay at home and when Mother wanted dad to call her she would turn Rex loose and he would go up on campus and find Dad and Dad would know to call Mother, especially when there was football practice and things like that ’cause he was coaching football also.

HH: In your opinion what do you think was your dad’s most cherished achievement as coach at Western and what do you think was maybe his most disappointing moment?
ED: I think seeing his boys do well after they got out of college whether they were coaching or whatever they were doing and seeing them succeed in business as a pro or as a coach or whatever. I think his biggest disappointment was when some of them dropped out of school or didn’t turn out to do very well and not be a very good citizen. I think that hurt him because I think he felt had a little responsibilty for them not doing the right thing….but there weren’t many of them. It was the same with the students. He cared about the students about as much as the players. Western was his whole life. If anybody said anything about Western they were in trouble….
HH: Yeah, I think we need him up here today with some of the people that are around…..
ED: I know we do.

HH: As far as basketball-wise, what do you think was his most cherished achievement and his most disappointing loss?
ED: When we lost to Eastern one year when I was playing and we had won 42 or 43 straight home games I believe it was and we got beat 42-40 I think….
HH: That was more disappointing than the ’42 NIT loss??
ED: Well, those two would be the top two. People sat in the stands after the game was over and couldn’t believe we got beat. I mean they were shocked (Laughs). They wouldn’t even leave the gym hardly.
HH: What do you think was his favorite victory of all time?
ED: Anytime he usually beat Murray or Eastern….McBrayer or Hodges at Murray. They were the two big rivals. And I think the first time we went to the Garden and nobody thought we….we were unknown and played City College or somebody and we just killed them. Then Western got to be the favorite coming in because of the fast break and scoring so many points. Western would always sell out the Garden regardless of who they were playing.

HH: Well, you became a pretty solid high school and college player. Did you always want to play for your dad in college or did you consider playing anywhere else?
ED: Mr. Hornback took the head caoching job at Vanderbilt and I went there that summer to go to Vanderbilt and play for Mr. Hornback. I thought it would be easier. But it didn’t live up to what they told him about things and he came back that summer….I came back that summer and Bobby McGuire was there, he came back the next year. He stayed at Vanderbilt one year.
HH: Why did Coach Hornback come back so fast? Did he miss Western that much?
ED: I think….well, Vanderbilt didn’t live up to what they told him if you want to know the truth. They were going to do a lot of things….they were going to start a new fieldhouse soon and they didn’t. His house that he was supposed to live in wasn’t what they anticipated and it filled up with water, I think in the basement one time and….I think he just missed Western and Bowling Green more than anything.
HH: I imagine that really hurt your dad when Coach Hornback left for that short time.
ED: Oh, it liked to kill him….’cause Mr. Hornback was the X and O man basically. And people sometimes would say well, “Mr. Hornback was coaching the team,” and all that and Dad said, “Well, you’ve got to give me credit I’m the one that hired him.” But they worked as a team, they were a great combination. I never heard ‘em have a cross word between them in all those years.

HH: I heard…..I think it was Buddy Cate I was talking to one time, talking about going to some kind of coach’s conference with your dad down south and they asked him to get up and describe some of the plays that Western ran or something and Buddy said he didn’t think that your dad really knew that but he said he got up there and just diagramed that stuff like he knew it like the back of his hand you know?
ED: Well, he knew it all but he just let Mr. Hornback do it….but a lot of people didn’t think he did. He was a great motivator. He always said that recruiting was about 80%, motivation was about 10% and coaching was about 10%. I think a lot of teams are overcoached now, truthfully, and the coaches want all of the credit instead of the team. They coach as if their team won’t make a mistake and then when they make a mistake or two they’re beat ’cause they keep it that close instead of blowing somebody out. Now a player will play five minutes or something and hold up his hand and say he was tired. If we had done that that would have ended our career. The only time you came out was when you stunk it up or got into foul trouble (Laughs). You’d better not get tired. We ran wind sprints in that old gym so long that games were a breeze after practices.
HH: I think I heard some other players tell me the same thing.
ED: After practice you couldn’t even eat hardly. You’d go over there and drink milk or water….after practice. You’d have to wait a while before you could eat you’d be so tired.
HH: He didn’t let you drink water during practice did he?
ED: I don’t think so….yeah, I think so. I don’t know, I don’t remember it. He wouldn’t let you drink a Coke…anytime. He put a nail in a Coke and it rusted or something and he said, “That’s what it does to your stomach,” (Laughs).

HH: What was it like playing for him? Was he tougher on you or did he treat you about the same as everyone else?
ED: I’d say he was AS tough. I played a lot better on the road than I did at home. I don’t know why….maybe there wasn’t as much pressure, I don’t know, but I played a lot better on the road.

HH: What are some of your favorite memories as a player at Western?
ED: The year we played Bowling Green (OH) in Owensboro and I think there were three seconds to go and I made two foul shots to beat them. They were highly rated. Then we played Bowling Green later in Toledo and Gene Rhodes hit one from about fifty feet the last second of the game. So we beat ‘em twice and they were a really good team. They were the first team that had seven-foot boys….they had the twins, the Otten twins, that were over seven-foot. And then another boy that about seven-foot. Andy Anderson was the coach of Bowling Green. He and dad were big buddies….he was a famous coach back in those days. Nice man.

HH: Now you played with some of the all-time greats like Coach Oldham, Bob Lavoy and some of those guys….
ED: I played with Lavoy, Oldham….Marshall was a freshman my senior year.
HH: Who do you think was the best player you ever played with or ever saw at Western?
ED: Probably Tom Marshall.
HH: That’s what a lot of people say.
ED: Yeah. He had the biggest hands and most ability….he was more natural….he could go up and get a rebound with one hand and throw it to Dan King at the other end of the floor and never come down. Of course there’s so many and it’s hard to take a guard and compare him to a center and all of that. It’s according to whether you’re talking about big men or little men. The two best guards I can remember were Dee Gibson and Chalmers Embry, or as good, back when I played.
HH: Embry became a dentist later didn’t he?
ED: In Owensboro, yes. And he was on the Board of Regents.

HH: Do you have very many memories of the two NIT games that you played in?
ED: I remember the Bradley game very well….we got beat there at the end. Well, we really played in three ’cause they stopped having it in the Garden and they said they were going to have the Campus NIT and we played in one in Peoria, Illinois to get away from the big city….and they were the ones that had thrown the game in the city with Melchiorre and Unrod (?) and a bunch of them.
HH: You’re saying the Campus Tourney was actually the NIT?
ED: Yeah, that’s what they called it, the Campus NIT. They were supposed to take it over like it was in New York but it was in Bradley, in Peoria. They invited teams from all over the country just like the NIT. But yeah, Dad would always take Ned Irish, he was the president of Madison Square Garden, a country ham every year. And we always made that swing….I’ll tell you one funny story…we mad the swing and played in Buffalo, NY and Philly over Christmas every year I was there. Well, one year we even played Cornell and Ithaca…we played four instead of three. But anyway, we were in New York Christmas Eve I think it was, and went to the old Capital Theatre. They had movies and then they had entertainment and Nat King Cole was the entertainment and we were all there and he sang, “I’ll Be Home for Christmas,” and about twelve or fourteen boys just cried like (Laughs)…..you know, it’s fun the first year or two of three years, and I had gone when I was in high school some too on that tour….and then when you played in the NIT Tournament and went to the semis or finals you were up there a week or so ’cause all of the games then were played at the Garden and now they play at different schools and just the Final Four go to the Garden.
HH: Yeah, I notice where you guys played almost every year up in the Northeast. Why didn’t none of those guys come down and play you at Western?
ED: They wouldn’t come.
HH: It would have been a different story then.
ED: Well, I don’t think we lost many. I remember we lost a tough one one time to St. John’s when they had a real good team and we lost one to LIU when they had Sherman White and Ray Felix and we played Lasalle in the Garden with (Tom) Gola. They were good teams. Buffalo, Canisius or St. Bonnie’s usually weren’t that good but we always played a good team in the Garden.
HH: Those schools were probably about the only ones at that time that had black athletes then weren’t they?
ED: Right.
HH: Now Western almost always went to the NIT instead of the NCAA in those days….
ED: That was the big tournament then.
HH: It was considered more desirable and prominent….
ED: Oh, yes. Western did go to the NCAA in 1940 and I went with them to Pittsburgh. They got beat by Duquesne by one point. Then Western was picked to play in the Olympics in ’36 in Arkansas and got beat by Arkansas at Arkansas. Then they just let one college team go.

HH: I know the ’42 game hurt but in ’48 they were seeded number one going into the NIT and ended up losing to St. Louis. I imagine that was pretty tough too wasn’t it?
ED: That was a tough one. One year I don’t think we were ever out of the top seven or eight. Most of the time we stayed in the Top Ten….besides my senior year when we had lost a lot of people and everybody thought we were awful and I think we were 20-8 or something…
HH: That’s a pretty good year for a down year.
ED: I thought it was (Laughs)…..for what we had to play with. We had lost a lot of good players.
HH: Do you remember very much about that St. Louis loss?
ED: I know they had “Easy” Ed McCauley.
HH: He was probably the best player in the country that year wasn’t he?
ED: Yeah. I remember the biggest defeat Western ever had was during the War when we went to Chicago to play Depaul and Dad had started with about twenty-three players and I think they were down to seven players and two managers. That’s when they were drafting everybody you know? See Western had Air Force and they couldn’t play at the university where they were but like the Navy could you see. The University of louisville had Jack Coleman and all of those good players that were in the Navy that could play. But anyway, they had George Mikan and all those great players (Laughs) and we were awful. Our high school team just about could beat ‘em. That’s how bad it got before the year was over and they had to go play Depaul the last game of the year and it was something else. And Depaul was ranked about first or second in the nation (Laughs). That was the only time I’d ever seen Western totally blownout. Then we got blown out one time in Cincinnati. I remember playing in the Cincinnati Garden dribbling up the floor with about two minutes to go, no hurry we were down a bunch, and I heard some smart guy in the stands say, “That’s right Western, freeze the ball, you’re only twenty behind.” (Laughs). You hear a lot of things. But all in all it was a great experience. I don’t regret playing there under Dad. I made some great friends and we all lived in Diddle Dorm together. I think that’s the kind of fellowship that…..I think you lose it when the players are in eight different dorms. I don’t think you get the camaraderie that you do when you’re all together. And we had our own training table.

HH: What was Bob Lavoy like as a player? I always hear about how great he was.
ED: He was good…..skinny. Great player. He would have a hard time today, you know, it’s all muscles now. You’ve got to weigh about 250 or 260. They let centers beat each other to death now. But he was great, he had the best hookshot I’ve ever seen.
HH: Do you remember why he didn’t play his senior year at Western?
ED: I think he had played a year at Illinois before he went in the Service and I think somehow that came up.
HH: Okay. Because he’s listed in 1950 as being a junior and scoring 21.7 points per game.
ED: I could stand corrected but I think he played a little on a freshman team at University of Illinois before he went in the service. And they counted that as a year and knocked him out of a year but I may be wrong. But I guess playing for dad wasn’t as bad as coaching against him. I felt sorry for Mother when we played our first game and poor Mother was sitting there and of course all of the newspaper people there and radio and TV and all of that, and they watched her the whole game trying to find out who she was for (Laughs).
HH: Who was she for?
ED: I don’t know (Laughs). I’d say I think she was hoping I’d win.

HH: I read something about you being intentionally tackled by a ul player while going in for a layup one time.
ED: Yeah, the university of louisville….Ish Combs. I was going under wide open and he came in and threw a block under me and I went about ten feet and hit a camera box and I broke a small bone in my knee. And when Dad came out on the floor they booed him off and the rivalry got pretty hot after that when they came to Bowling Green later that year.
HH: That ended your season didn’t it?
ED: No, I got to play right at the end. I got to play in the NIT and two or three games before the year was over.
HH: Now did that incident help cause the feud that developed between your dad and Peck Hickman?
ED: I don’t think that was the main…..no, I don’t think so. That was already beginning.
HH: What really started that? Maybe several different things?
ED: I guess, but I don’t know. I know there was one or everybody wrote there was one but when they were around each other they were always nice to each other. I think he may could have been a little jealous of Dad because he still got more press than Peck did. I don’t know. I shouldn’t say that probably.
HH: Well, he always beat louisville pretty much all the time.
ED: Right. I tell you those were good years…..when they had Oldham and Gibson and Lavoy and McKinney, they could play….then the Marshall bunch could play. Then later on when Johnny was coaching that was some great teams. You know if you go back….when Keady came there was a publication that came out where Western was third in about everything….wins, most 20-win seasons, highest winning percentage and all of that. See, like rupp and Iba and Allen and Dad…..they won so many games but there was no way that would hold up because a lot of times they only played fifteen or twenty games a year
HH: Yeah, especially early on….
ED: Yeah, and now they’re playing thirty to thirty-five. So, that has changed immensely. Dad was third for a while and THEN they’re putting women in there then the little school coaches…
HH: Yeah, that guy Phelan, most of his wins….
ED: Yeah, Phelan were all at St. Mary’s or something. I played against him in the service. He played at Lasalle. I played against him in college too. But, that’s a different ballgame. I could go coach at some little school and have a dynasty.
HH: Yeah, I don’t see how they count those wins as Division One.
ED: It don’t seem right. But that’ll all change because everybody that coaches twenty-five years now will be like used to coaching thirty-five or forty because everybody plays at least thirty games a year now. And I think that was the most games Western played then, that year (1948) when they were (28-2).

HH: Over the years I know how rupp and uk was as far as how they treated and thought about Western and other state schools….what did your dad really think about all that?
ED: He didn’t really let it bother him. I mean, he didn’t like it but he didn’t spout off. When we did beat kentucky (1971) rupp thought we couldn’t stay on the floor with them……and we killed them. I think during the War kentucky would beaten Western because they kept Beard and Jones and all those good players. I think before the War it would have been about even and years after that it I think it would have been about even. Because back then the Southeastern Conference Basketball, outside of Tennessee and Vanderbilt, was horrible. I was coaching Middle Tennessee and we would play in tournaments and hell if you drew some of those teams you were lucky. They just flipped a coin to see which assistant football coach would coach baketball.
HH: I’m sure the OVC from top to bottom was a lot better than the SEC.
ED: Oh yeah. When the OVC started with louisville and Marshall and Evansville and Eastern, Western and Murray, that was a helluva conference.
HH: And even after they left it was still a great conference.
ED: Yeah. And the Sun Belt was a good conference at first with all those schools….Charlotte and all of them. But I don’t know what they’re going to do about conferences. I don’t know that we need to be in with Denver and New Mexico St. and North Texas (Laughs). I don’t think you’ll get many rivalries out of that.
HH: I think there’s some changes coming.
ED: I hope so. We’ve tried I know. We’ve tried to get in Conference USA and our friends up the road didn’t want us in it.

HH: Once your playing days were over, what did you initially do before you became a head coach?
ED: The year after I graduated I coached at Warren County and got my master’s. Then I got drafted and went in the service for two years. Came back and coached one more year at Warren County and then Johnny Oldham went to Tennessee Tech and I took his place that fall at College High and then left when we got beat in the tournament that spring and went to Middle Tennessee.
HH: You said you were drafted, did you go to Korea?
ED: I was in the Korean War but I didn’t go. I was very fortunate. I was in the Combat Construction Company.

HH: What year did you become head coach at MTSU?
ED: 1957-58 I believe it was.
HH: How long did you end up staying there?
ED: Six years
HH: Was that a pretty good experience?
ED: It was a real good experience. But you don’t need the president of the university to leave and another one come. They got were they didn’t want me to recruit outside of the state of Tennessee. They were about like the SEC, it was a football state and you couldn’t take blacks then and Memphis St. and Vanderbilt and Tennessee and Western…..my dad got a lot of players that I was trying to recruit like (Al) Ellison. And Marshall of course was from Tennessee, King was from Tennessee. Don Ray was from Tennessee, Buddy Cate, Dee Gibson. So he had a pretty good hold on Tennessee.

HH: I know your dad was also one of the first in the south to recruit black players.
ED: Right. I know when I was coaching at Middle Tennessee I went down to scout New Mexico St. against Vanderbilt and I went down there and they were all white and I said, “Well, we can beat this this team.” They were awful. I go out to Las Cruces, New Mexico and they were all black (Laughs). We nearly beat ‘em but they were a lot better ballclub….but they couldn’t travel with them then in the SEC.

HH: Well after you left Middle Tennessee did you get out of coaching altogether?
ED: Yes. Yes I did. I went in the rock quarry business. I was in the rock quarry business about seventeen years then I sold out and then went in the real estate business and have been in it ever since.
HH: All that’s been around Nashville?
ED: Yes. In Nashville

HH: Well, do you try and keep up with Western now?
ED: Oh yeah. I saw the Auburn game. That tickled me. I try to go to five or six games a year. I used to go more when I was younger.
HH: Have you been up here since they started renovating the arena?
ED: Yes. I was up there right before they finished. And I’m gonna be up this year to see the end. I think it’s great….the other gyms and the facilities in the building besides just the gymnasium.
HH: What do you think your dad would think about all that?
ED: He would love it. He would love it.
HH: It would be nice to have a life-size statue of your dad in there somewhere.
ED: I would like to see that. He had a lot to do with Western becoming the state school of Kentucky I think. I think he’s the reason that Western’s thought of in a different thing than Morehead and Easern and Murray and those schools. I think he had a lot to do with that. Because he thought as much of the students as he did the players. They were all his buddies. But there’s been so many great players at Western it’s hard to name. Rascoe was a great player. Frosty Able was a good player….Dan King…..Of course it’s hard to compare late 40′s players and players today.
HH: But you still think Marshall was probably the best you ever saw?
ED: Yep. And I’ve seen a lot of them.
HH: I guess most people say that if he’d really committed himself….
ED: He never committed himself. He didn’t have to. He was better than anybody without trying. He was a natural. Dee Gibson was probably the best one for intensity and meanness and hustle. It was kinda like what I had to do. I had to hustle. I hustled and dove for balls and did everything I could do to make up for some of my other talents that weren’t that good.
HH: Who do you think in maybe the last twenty years are the players your dad would have liked watching the most at Western?
ED: I think (Craig) McCormick he would have liked because he gave it his all.
HH: Clarence Martin?
ED: Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
HH: Mark Bell and Darrin Horn?
ED: Yeah. Now (Kannard) Johnson never did play to his capabilities.Tellis Frank played pretty well.
HH: Yeah, if those guys had the heart of Clarence they would have been really unstoppable.
ED: Ah hell, they would have won the NCAA.
HH: Yeah, that was a Final Four quality team in ’87.
ED: Well, I appreciate being able to talk to you and if I can help you in any way, any time, anywhere, let me know.